Yoshi's Island Mafia 2 : Revenge of the Koopas (Endgame)

Total Votes :
Billy : 0
Unknown : 0
Sashe : 4 (Unknown, TSL (this is much easier :p), Yoshidude, Detective Koshi (Hammered))
Koshi : 1 (Billy)
Day 2 : Sashe​

Upon seeing the treetops darken, everyone realized they needed to get their act together and vote someone fast. It didn't take long before everyone decided to go for Sashe whom didn't have much to say. With people "revealing" their roles left and right, it only came out in time before enough decided they were tired of him. With enough votes, it came down to one thing... how were they actually going to do this? No one felt like actually killing him on the spot, and there's nothing they could easily use to stop him...

It was at that point that Sashe started to freak out. Without much hesitation, he started to dash out of the town. Luckily, Detective Koshi was in his way, and tackled him down as to prevent his escape. However, he accidentally put a little too much power into his tackle, as it sent Sashe tumbling towards the river, and he plopped right into it. Everyone ran towards the river, suddenly noticing how dangerous it was to actually be near it. Sashe was nowhere to be found, though. The current had swept him further down, everyone could see his dead body flowing down the river, fully in-tact.

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Sashe has drowned - He was a simple Shy Guy
On him, he held a Metal Mushroom​

Even though it was getting darker and darker by the second, everyone could tell that they've killed one of their own. Troubled by the results of this day, everyone retired to their home... hoping that maybe the Mushrooms they all obtained could help them defeat the Yoshis...

It's now Night 2​

  • If another one passes tonight, the game could lead to a Mislynch and Lose scenario.
  • Mushrooms can be used on anyone during this time period, but you don't need to tell us whether or not you want to use them or not. If you don't say anything by the time all normal Night actions come in, you'll be unable to use it that night.
  • Random note - though there may be a Cult and a Mason, I just want to point out that Neutral players can win with either group if not recruited into either of them. Mason cannot with with Cult and Cult cannot win with Mason, though.
 
Night 2 : ??

The Shy Guys struggled to endure another ominous night. As dawn progressed, one of the Shy Guys reported that another Shy Guy has seemingly vanished. An mask and a robe were all that the Shy Guys could find in the scene, along with some fragments of an egg shell.
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RIP SLACKER THE SHY GUY
The Shy Guy population has been fading in these hard times... The day passes on, and everyone starts losing their trust in one another...

Number of Lynch Votes Required to Take Effect: 3
 
I lived!

I...lived?

THIS IS MY 1st TIME LIVING PAST NIGHT 2. w00t!

*ahem* As for Sashe, I do not feel bad. He made himself much too a villian by throwing out his votes without thought... Or maybe he was just stupid?

Losing Slacker is a bummer... He was our analysis guy...
 
I attempted to recruit Slacker. He's dead, so uh, yeah I couldn't recruit him. :( Damn I didn't think he would be gunned down...

By the way I used a Metal Mushroom on myself because out I felt I was probably a bit target after the roleclaim.

Unknown, who did you attempt to recruit? Was it successful?

Yoshidude1 said:
I see no reason not to continue my suspicion of Sashe. Vote Sashe.
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This is actually a pretty weak final reason to suddenly go for a solid vote. To me this is wagoning at its finest and so

Vote Yoshidude

Your position is definitely not helped by yesterday's comments.



Does ANYONE have a spy mushroom or investigation report?
 
Hey, for all we know, me and Mr. TSL could'a fabricated the whole thing about us being recruitment roles! *smiles deviously*

Oh... Why the sudden impulsive vote, Mr. TSL?

Arebyou afraid we'll find out you're a complete liar to avoid getting that lynch on your face? *frowning face*

*sniffle; rubs eyes* I'm really starting to suspect Koshi and TSL are partners in crime! *starts bawling self off*

Oh, Mr. TSL... Why not revoke that vote until more discussion becomes available...

Awww... Unless Koshi has a MUSHROOM TO DOUBLE THE VOTE! *rubs eyes again*
 
Unknown Entity said:
Hey, for all we know, me and Mr. TSL could'a fabricated the whole thing about us being recruitment roles! *smiles deviously*

Oh... Why the sudden impulsive vote, Mr. TSL?

Arebyou afraid we'll find out you're a complete liar to avoid getting that lynch on your face? *frowning face*

*sniffle; rubs eyes* I'm really starting to suspect Koshi and TSL are partners in crime! *starts bawling self off*

Oh, Mr. TSL... Why not revoke that vote until more discussion becomes available...

Awww... Unless Koshi has a MUSHROOM TO DOUBLE THE VOTE! *rubs eyes again*
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If you have suspicion enough to vote me, do so.

I guarantee it will cause a game over though. Pretty sure you don't want that.
 
*sniffle*

That's why I want more discussion from others!

We shouldn't just go and vote ppl just like that!

Perhaps Koshi and Yoshidude wagoned that vote because they knew Sashe was a goodie good and they're Mafia!

*goes in corner and laughs psychotically* HeeheeheeHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Must admit, after Sashe turned up good... I had doubts about you, Mr. TSL.

But...YOU COULD BE A GOOD FOR ALL I F**KING KNOW!
 
Unknown Entity said:
I lived!

I...lived?

THIS IS MY 1st TIME LIVING PAST NIGHT 2. w00t!

*ahem* As for Sashe, I do not feel bad. He made himself much too a villian by throwing out his votes without thought... Or maybe he was just stupid?

Losing Slacker is a bummer... He was our analysis guy...
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:ghost: Hey, it was my first Mafia game after all. But it was fun - good luck, Shy Guys!
 
Well...

If I must... I recruited Billy... It was successful. That'd confirm his innocence... If indeed you are the Mason that'd only allow Koshi and Yoshidude to be Mafia...

Also, for suspecting you after Sashe's demise, I used the Spy Mushroom which failed in analyzing you. Thus would explain if you indeed used the Metal Mushroom.

I wouldn't understand why the Mafia would want a Metal Mushroom unless to avoid being detected...

The impulsive vote on Yoshidude concerns me, though...

You can only vote one... But why Yoshidude and not Koshi?
 
I'm sure Billy will confirm his recruitment when he comes on, so I do support your view that Koshi and Yoshidude would be mafia. I trust you the most out of everyone (thank you double roleclaim), and Billy's pretty much a confirmed town if he is indeed recruited by you. (Well, one exception. I'll get to that down the bottom.)

I voted Yoshidude because he was a lot more passive than Koshi was yesterday. And also, going over his posts...:

Yoshidude1 said:
After thinking this over I really think I will go with No Vote and then see how things pan out.
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A vote is quite definitive (says the person who made the first vote of today). Unlike Billy, who was being cautious and not throwing accusational votes because he didn't work everything out, Yoshidude's intentions here could very well be interpreted as "let's make town destroy itself then we win, and no voting is a great way to slip into the background".

Yoshidude1 said:
Yoshidude1 said:
Well my thoughts about this are me being suspicious of Koshi for not answering some of the questions. Also Billy still after his early mistakes. I still plan on not taking action on any of them right now, but still maybe later. Also where is Slacker?
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By the way I will also keep an eye on Sashe for throwing out votes with no proof or evidence earlier on. But, my main focus will be on Koshi and Billy.
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There was plenty to go on (perhaps a solid vote against Sashe, Koshi or Billy) but still he remains, let us call it, passive.

The Sashe-posting-after-Yoshidude here and elsewhere was really unfortunate timing on his part.

Yoshidude1 said:
The Shattered Legacy said:
Ebwop

Sashe and Yoshidude, who out of Billy and Koshi do you suspect more based on all the posts of the day phase?
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Eh, it is hard to tell. I think they both have minor Fos. I do have another suspect in Sashe for what I posted above and it is growing the more I think about it.
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He was not being definitive between Koshi and Billy, instead deflecting suspicion on Sashe as a scapegoat. Hence he was covering for his mafia buddy, i.e. Koshi.

As for Koshi, he's been a little clumsy with how he defends himself so he could very easily trip up even on the next day phase and out himself as clear mafia. Let's see some posts of relevance:
Detective Koshi said:
The reason I haven't been posting is we're acting like little kids every tiny thing is making get into a fight. We need to go about things with more evidence. We shouldn't just lynch to lynch. Our town is already dwindling as is. We need to strike the mafia!
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I'm sure everyone found this sketchy, Billy particularly. I suppose it would  make sense to have held out for longer but well, in MYLO and pretty much three confirmed town, we have all we need.

Detective Koshi said:
Better than what? We have not made
Any progress over the last few days? What's there to discuss? We need to change our gameplan if we are going to win! Bickering on why "I couldn't be a yoshi cause blah blah blah" we need to strategize.
We need I find a way to exploit the yoshis flaws. One word could make the difference
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Detective Koshi said:
That depends instead of knit picking the fact that I misspelled a word and that makes me mafia, we should focus on the lynch, as of now I sorrily need to put my foot in for Sashe. Their explanations have been less than stellar, I apologize for standing in the shadows but I promise you if I think a little longer I'll have a good idea how to make the yoshis stand out. I just need time, and amazing idea doesn't just roll out. And not because he is suspicious of me, but Billy still makes me wonder. I feel he creates problems for others so it's not him people are looking at. That's all I have for know, I'll post if I have an idea
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(my bold)
Here I'd like to make a claim that this continued mention of Yoshi in a way to sound like town was Koshi's perceivable mafia habit or tell at the time. (getting all Ace Attorney yo)

Unknown Entity said:
My question to Koshi; why do you want this to end so quickly all of a sudden?

Is your patience finally wearing thin? You've been quiet throughout the whole thing but now that you've grown suspicious to the fray here, you seem extremely agitated...

Are we getting somewhere or are you fooling with us...?
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Not Koshi's post, but still quite on target here.

Detective Koshi said:
I really don't understand what you mean about stalling. I told you point blank the idea I had isn't going anywhere I thought it would, and my idea was just a thought. It was deductive reasoning, we gather information from everyone's post and you put it together and REALLY analyze it. I didn't think you'd like my idea, so I stopped. You can suspect me if you want, it's a game and I respect that, but before I'm gone, you should consider Billy as a plausible mafia...that's just my opinion is all.
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Withholding a line of reasoning from everyone is kinda dishonest, just saying.

Detective Koshi said:
Oh well in complete honestly, my school got vacation last week and I spent it with my friends, and since this game started at the exact time, I fell behind
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I'll just ignore this...

Detective Koshi said:
If I said that it would have sounded like a complete lie...saying that I was waiting for a good time to strike the mafia sounds like I'm more helpful..
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Opportunity does not present itself when we want it. If we waited for the golden opportunity, we'd all be dead.

The Shattered Legacy said:
Detective Koshi said:
it's gotten us nowhere because you were still alive at the end, for all we know if your voted out we could be one step closer to winning!
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Lol and you didn't consider the flip side?
One step closer for winning if you were mafia maybe... Care to clarify?
Strong FoS Koshi
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Wonder why I didn't go harder on this. He never explained.

Detective Koshi said:
Considering the circumstances I realize Billy probably isn't mafia and I was caught up in the fight with him, which I apologize for. So withdrawing my vote on Billy with all this suspicion on Sashe I have been re-reading their posts and they are very suspicious Vote Sashe
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I am uncertain as to whether this was a wagon vote - which I still believe is more likely - or a sudden change in heart. If Billy isn't who he makes himself out to be (see below), Koshi may have made a mistake in this vote. Oops.

In summary, Yoshidude is more passive and doesn't really have enemies, so he could easily have made an endgame play (if say Unknown/TSL/Yoshidude were left) to convince one of us to kill the other. He is a more dangerous player in the endgame than Koshi has made himself to be and this is why I voted Yoshidude first.
I am not planning to revoke my vote, but you do make a good point about the dangers of those Mushrooms...



Now, as to my tinge of suspicion towards Billy:
Billy12510 said:
If I believe HJ's statement at face value though... it implies that both him and Unknown are the Mason/Cultist OR that HJ is the Mason/Cultist and Unknown has a Mafia role that isn't that of the Godfather, because that Godfather CAN be recruited by the Mason/Cultist. Although the one part where my logic falls apart is here: I'm not sure if regular mafia members can be recruited by the Mason/Cultist.
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Billy12510 said:
To the shock and awe of no one I disagree with your accusation of me Slacker. I know me to be an innocent Shy Guy. I may as well throw that out there, I don't see me living through the night. Oh well, I don't regret anything.
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The White Shy Guy/Godfather is still a Shy Guy. Billy may have feigned town-alignment by claiming vanilla when he was actually the godfather. I have no solid proof of this, of course, and Billy's fretfulness about surviving the night weaken my argument, so to all intents and purposes, I believe Billy is town aligned at his moment in time. If anyone had the audacity to investigate Billy, please speak now (but I don't think it'll change much).
 
Ah shit... I missed my ferry across the Styx... actually I thought that might actually happen.

Well, at least one good thing came out of the night, I know Unknown's innocent for sure now.

As for our dearly departed... Koshi didn't waste time switching his vote when he knew it would hang Sashe. Combine that with the knowledge that I STILL suspect him of being Mafia... I don't think we can ignore the possibility that Koshi is indeed Mafia... it WOULD explain why he didn't kill me, because that would add more suspicion to him if he silenced the one that suspected him the most.

*tosses Spy Mushroom around in his hand* Who to use this on... I don't think I should waste it on Koshi, I'm certain he's in the mafia. And I know Unknown's the Cultist since he recruited me last night. So it's either HJ or Yoshidude... Hmm...
 
Billy12510 said:
*tosses Spy Mushroom around in his hand* Who to use this on... I don't think I should waste it on Koshi, I'm certain he's in the mafia. And I know Unknown's the Cultist since he recruited me last night. So it's either HJ or Yoshidude... Hmm...
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Depends on whether there's still a Metal Mushroom in play. A mafia could easily use it on me or Yoshidude to cause the spying to fail. I suppose there's more of an incentive to use it on me since Unknown tried when I Metal'd myself.
 
I'd like TSL's take on Billy's response.

Also, do keep in mind of the mushroom plays.

A mafia could have a Mushroom and use it for a double vote. Which is exactly why I am cautious of TSL putting that vote on Yoshidude.

Although our actions last night practically prove TSL had a Metal Mushroom and is why my Spy Mushroom failed, it's worth noting TSL could be mafia and used it to conceal his identity or also to prevent a kill on him.

I'm very suspicious after I claimed my role and TSL did the same after I put a vote toward him.

2 things can come of this:

He fakeclaimed to make himself look more like a good guy and his true identity is BAD GUY.

Or...well... He's telling the truth. Also... The Mason HASN'T DIED AND BOTH TIMES IT APPARENTLY RESULTED IN RECRUITMENT FAILURE. IF WHAT TSL IN FACT SAID IS TRUE... WE CAN PROVE THE 2 FAILURES. 1. ME(because Cultist). 2. SLACKER WHO IS NOW DECEASED(and was a good guy). If you take this into serious consideration, it makes TSL more likely he is the Mason.

...Or he could have been lying out his ass and just went along with the whole Cultist/Mason recruitment failure to avoid him from getting lynched Day 2 and decided to continue the lie with the death of Slacker...

You also have to wonder... The 3 who roleclaimed DO seem confident we're of good allegiance whilst the other 2 haven't done the same. And if Koshi and Yoshidude did want a town win... Why do they not counterclaim TSL if he's lying?

To top it off... With what all TSL has inputted, it REALLY makes both Koshi and Yoshidude the better suspects...

Why the 3 who roleclaimed didn't die is a f**king mystery. Why kill Slacker and not...us?

*breaking fourth-wall*If we take a read on gamemods words... He said the possibility of Godfather may not happen due to low players. DOES NOT TAKE OUT POSSIBILITY. But something definitely to consider.
 
Billy12510 said:
Ah s***... I missed my ferry across the Styx... actually I thought that might actually happen.

Well, at least one good thing came out of the night, I know Unknown's innocent for sure now.

As for our dearly departed... Koshi didn't waste time switching his vote when he knew it would hang Sashe. Combine that with the knowledge that I STILL suspect him of being Mafia... I don't think we can ignore the possibility that Koshi is indeed Mafia... it WOULD explain why he didn't kill me, because that would add more suspicion to him if he silenced the one that suspected him the most.
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I'm certainly in agreement that Unknown is confirmed Cultist.

I personally felt that after reading that hammering vote that Koshi made, his word choice doesn't do him any favors whatsoever
Detective Koshi said:
Considering the circumstances I realize Billy probably isn't mafia and I was caught up in the fight with him, which I apologize for. So withdrawing my vote on Billy with all this suspicion on Sashe I have been re-reading their posts and they are very suspicious Vote Sashe
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Put simply, Koshi used Sashe as a scapegoat. Note the choice of 'very suspicious' as the reason of voting - hardly something confident or definitive, especially given what happened between him and Billy. Did he really suddenly read every post in detail and use his own deductions? I think he just wagoned with Unknown and my reasoning.

Continuing the very weak 'is Billy Godfather' line of thinking, Koshi not killing Billy could be a potential cover. However given their animosity yesterday, that's pretty much an idea thrown out the window. Why go to so much trouble arguing about "you're a Yoshi no you're the mafia" when you're mafia buddies?

The point on keeping those most suspicious alive holds very true. Despite the fact that we roleclaimed, Billy and I in particular are still not quite in the clear; me for having unusual events in the night, and Billy for being the counter to Koshi in terms of 'one of them is probably mafia'. I think people still find Unknown suspicious just as an artefact of the beginning of yesterday.

Unknown Entity said:
I'd like TSL's take on Billy's response.

Also, do keep in mind of the mushroom plays.

A mafia could have a Mushroom and use it for a double vote. Which is exactly why I am cautious of TSL putting that vote on Yoshidude.

Although our actions last night practically prove TSL had a Metal Mushroom and is why my Spy Mushroom failed, it's worth noting TSL could be mafia and used it to conceal his identity or also to prevent a kill on him.

I'm very suspicious after I claimed my role and TSL did the same after I put a vote toward him.

2 things can come of this:

He fakeclaimed to make himself look more like a good guy and his true identity is BAD GUY.

Or...well... He's telling the truth. Also... The Mason HASN'T DIED AND BOTH TIMES IT APPARENTLY RESULTED IN RECRUITMENT FAILURE. IF WHAT TSL IN FACT SAID IS TRUE... WE CAN PROVE THE 2 FAILURES. 1. ME(because Cultist). 2. SLACKER WHO IS NOW DECEASED(and was a good guy). If you take this into serious consideration, it makes TSL more likely he is the Mason.

...Or he could have been lying out his ass and just went along with the whole Cultist/Mason recruitment failure to avoid him from getting lynched Day 2 and decided to continue the lie with the death of Slacker...

You also have to wonder... The 3 who roleclaimed DO seem confident we're of good allegiance whilst the other 2 haven't done the same. And if Koshi and Yoshidude did want a town win... Why do they not counterclaim TSL if he's lying?

To top it off... With what all TSL has inputted, it REALLY makes both Koshi and Yoshidude the better suspects...

Why the 3 who roleclaimed didn't die is a f**king mystery. Why kill Slacker and not...us?

*breaking fourth-wall*If we take a read on gamemods words... He said the possibility of Godfather may not happen due to low players. DOES NOT TAKE OUT POSSIBILITY. But something definitely to consider.
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I demand the players alive to tell us what your Mushrooms are. (Or were, if you used them already.)

I have been using the recruitment ability as a sort of ghetto investigation power - if a recruitment failed and it wasn't due to death, I would have known that whoever I tried to recruit was already recruited, a mafia, or cultist.

I was attempting to recruit Slacker because after Sashe flipped town, I wanted to check if his 'scumtell' analysis was merely a ploy to divert attention away from the true mafia - he highlighted Billy and Sashe as his cold mafia reads and then FoS'd Koshi (and Sashe). Funny he didn't analyse Yoshidude however. If recruitment failed I would've become rather suspicious of him; if not I would have a powerful confirmed town ally.

The reason I attempted to recruit Unknown in Night 1 is probably the same reason he tried to recruit me - friendship out of game. (Unknown please say if that wasn't your reason, I won't be offended.)

I've already explained my beliefs above about why the roleclaimed are still alive. Out of the three of us, I feel that Unknown would have been the 'best' night target, because his death would have placed a lot of suspicion on me for reasons you state above - the possibility that I was in fact fake roleclaiming and feigned trust. If I were mafia, wouldn't this have seemed a bit suicidal? Killing Billy would place suspicion on Koshi, and killing me would have made people trust Unknown (particularly) and Billy even more - both outcomes being pretty bad for mafia.

Out of Koshi and Yoshidude (if we assume they were town just for hypothetical scenario's sake), if Koshi were murdered then Billy would've been in trouble, and that would be good for mafia. Yoshidude's death would simply leave us with no further leads apart from mushrooms and non-killing night actions - also good for mafia. I infer from this that because neither of them died, it raises the possibility that at least one of them is mafia (though as things stand, both look like mafia from my view).

Slacker I feel was murdered simply because he provided so many potential options with his analysis, that
he would have been able to make a decisive play today and out the mafia.

(kinda out of this game context and speaking more broadly) It is worth noting that I inputted a lot into daily discussion in my very first mafia game here, when I was the Godfather (topic here), but really discussions about metagame shouldn't dictate roles. Even though I know some people watching this game claim I'm mafia.

(also kinda out of game context) I think the other guys don't know what counterclaiming entails. It's more often used in standard setups of 3 vanilla/1 cop/1 doctor/2 mafia where one of the mafia counterclaim the cop and pretty much the two 'cops' give reports on alignments of players. Suspicion usually arises from players who counterclaim late or don't and then out themselves later (even if they are genuine). As it applies to this game, counterclaiming Mason or recruit would both have been viable counterclaims. But at this stage in the game you'd have to be pretty confident (or asking to be lynched) to claim Billy and I are mafia (assuming for example Yoshidude was Mason, failed recruitment Night 1 for whatever reason, then recruited Koshi Night 2) and counterclaim the role of Mason or recruit.
 
Like last time... What you say is just too believable to be false or for you to be considered mafia.

The night actions are what is really messing my mind up with you, TSL. Had I not grown that suspicion again, I'd have done my Spy Mushroom on another(like Koshi).

As for the recruitment incident of Night 1. That WAS the reason I wanted you a part of my team.

If you are full-fledged telling the truth... I cannot say no. The pieces fall perfectly in place why you are the Mason. Unless... You did a REALLY assholey move and lied about it all and you turn up mafia.

*multiple conflicting thoughts broil inside my mind*

If I were to place my trust in you... I... I'd honestly have to go and...

Lynch: Yoshidude

Koshi we feel is more to be mafia than Yoshidude... So, I assume we're testing it out...?

If Billy is a true good guy we have no other choice but to place our bets on Yoshidude or Koshi...

If something else provides itself with TSL not making up bulls**t, my vote is staying.

I just hope this is the correct path and I wasn't manipulated into a ploy for trust...

If that turns to be the case...

I'll consume your very essence into becoming one with the spirit world as I am... Survive and you'll end up in A WORLD OF NEVERENDING EXCRUCIATING PAIN THAT YOU'LL SUFFER THE REST OF YOUR SPIRITUAL DAYS. AND TRUST ME. THAT WOULD BE FUN FOR ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.
 
I'll just leave these hypothetical scenarios here since the red is actually quite unnerving:

Billy is Godfather and Koshi is his accomplice: Billy votes Yoshidude, gg we die

Billy is Godfather and Yoshidude is his accomplice: would probably still vote Yoshidude out. Both of us need to recruit Koshi (or try to) and then it becomes a war of the mind if recruitment was blocked (one of us will be dead)

Billy is town: again we recruit the last player, and hopefully the double fail confirms a mafia (unless godfather). Town/cult win



And I notice that I've actually made myself pretty suspicious/scummy/just off looking at this game. Are the mafia trying to keep me alive so I remain continually suspicious and throw everyone else off the trail?

I am keeping my vote as is.
 
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