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What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« on: March 01, 2013, 09:09:49 PM »
Mario Party is mainly criticized for its huge use of luck, but sometimes we forget that the game is based around a board game where luck is an essential element. For you, what is the acceptable amount of luck? Where do you think more luck should be placed, and where should there be less luck? Board events? Minigames? The Dice block? 

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 09:17:48 PM »
The luck definitely needs to be decreased in board events and mini-games, so I think it should only be in the Dice Block. :P
I also do not mind a few luck mini-games if there's no way you can lose something aside from someone else getting the 10 coins. (I'm looking at you, Battle and Duel games) :P

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 09:20:49 PM »
1 luck MG in all mg categories is fine with me because it's a board game, it's bound to happen
Dice block should be the only luck event
Board events can happen but can't be like damn MP9

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 10:15:12 PM »
Don't make luck anything like s***ty stupid F***ing horrible Mario Party 1 or MP9's intense luck and it's fine.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 10:31:09 PM »
Luck really hasn't affected me that much, but there really shouldn't be that excess of luck in Mario Party. It should be limited to a couple of mini-games, and in boards, only where it is acceptable or none at all. As Timmy said about luck in dice blocks, that is fine, since it is completely random. It wouldn't hurt to have a Mario Party where you have to rely on skill/strategy for once, and not luck.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 10:34:29 PM »
Luck is fine to a point. The biggest problems with MP1 and MP9 are there's TOO MUCH luck and LITERALLY nothing you can really control. I understand that's how boards are, it's true, that's how they are. But at the same time, Mario Party is not your average board series. It has luck, but it has other things that add skill and strategy, which I love.

If the game has Items or something where you can control to use things to help you, harm others, etc. then it's not a problem. But MP9 has failed at that, and MP1 don't get me started on that wreck.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 11:59:15 PM »
Minigames should be the least revolved around luck, with only a few exceptions. (As in about 1-3 4-Player minigames only).
Exceptions would be some of the not-so-major board events (like some that don't risk stars), dice rolls, and the list of items obtainable from the item shop (mostly looking at MP3's way here)

Else, not really much. In fact, why not use some of the Bowser Events from MP9 into the next Mario Party? (Revolving around coins, obviously :P)

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 12:45:57 AM »
Really when it's more than just possible to go from first to last by losing all of your points due to rolling a die you know somethings bad. With the shuffle spaces randomly mixing people up, luck tends to make it so one gets the raw end of the deal more often, that's really the main thing that annoyed me was that type of luck they threw in Mario Party 9.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2013, 07:19:36 AM »
I don't mind it that much. However, they need to get rid of that Miracle Space. That really boils my blood.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2013, 08:41:36 AM »
MP9's problem is that there was no way to increase the probability that your desired outcome will exist (Well there is)
Let me rephrase because you did have:
  • 1-3 Dice Block (Just made either 1, 2, 3 33.3333% chance of happening) Personally, I don't find this helpful because you can use a Normal Dice Block and probably roll a 1, 2, or 3
  • 4-6 Dice Block (Same as 1-3 just 33.33333% for 4, 5, 6)
  • Slow Dice Block (Broken as it only appears for computers unless you land on Lucky House Space)
  • 0-1 Dice Block (50% chance, 0 seems to appear less frequently though) (We can test this probability out though)
  • 1-10 Dice Block (There is no reason for this dice block because if you wanted to roll 7 - 10, you have a 40% chance of doing so which is not fair
The fact that you couldn't even get these dice blocks easily or finish a whole game WITHOUT using a SINGLE SPECIAL DICE BLOCK is the reason I found MP9 annoying
Shuffle space I found annoying but not the fact that I yell LUCK BASED F***ERY. The space was just set at the worse / good predicament spot
Bowser Events we'll cover in another portion of Mario Party Legacy
Conclusively, the fact that you can't change the base probability is the reason why this game is too luck based
You're basically rolling a dice block (I found this game worse than Monopoly for some reason)

Mario Party 1 is simply:
Roll a Die -> Land on a space -> Mini-Game
*Repeat Cycle*
Those RANDOMLY occurring Dice Blocks are a pain in my ass though
A Wild Plus Dice Block Appears!
A Dubious Warp Block Appears!
Oooo a Hidden Block!

I think we can establish that a game has too much luck if you can't change the base probability or change an outcome with an item or whatever. Those games needed a system that alleviates those problems

You can have a game with no items but if there's something you can do to alleviate your chances, it would be good.

But also, don't forget Mario Party is a Board Game so expect luck
All board games have luck now
And don't say oh the dice block is luck because that's a dice block's role lol

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 09:26:24 AM »
Mario Party 1's random Warp Dice Blocks were stupid as F***. I don't want to see that s*** return again.

Mario Party we know is going to have luck, it always will, but I think it's fair to request either a lesser extent of that or plenty of options to control your destiny.

Mario Party 1 is simply:
Roll a Die -> Land on a space -> Mini-Game
*Repeat Cycle*
This is exactly what MP1 is. It LITERALLY is a board game.

But with stupid unfair mini-game clause. Giving people who are losing (AKA ME) F***ing Bash'N'Cash yet 1st place F***ers get Crane Game, that is NOT fair.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2013, 12:13:18 PM »
I agree with other's on certain points, it is okay to have luck but not in game that gambles (battle mini-games, bowser mini-games, and etc). Dice blocks of course is going to have a big percentage in luck and play a big role than others.

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Mario Party 1's random Warp Dice Blocks were stupid as F***. I don't want to see that s*** return again.

You can turn that off in the item place I believe, so that is not really issue.

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But with stupid unfair mini-game clause. Giving people who are losing (AKA ME) F***ing Bash'N'Cash yet 1st place F***ers get Crane Game, that is NOT fair.

Also there is a glitch in that mini-game where you jump on a player's head and still get hit by the hammer. Well i'm not sure if it's lag or a glitch but that is very unfair. Crane game is just straight "cheating" for the AI or whoever is the one picking people up.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2013, 02:51:35 PM »
For me a acceptable amount would be around 40% Luck. It is a board game and they are primarily based around luck and 40% would be 100% to Dice Block but the Dice Block takes up like 20% of the game so it's 20%, 15% to Everything on the Board, 5% to Minigames. That's just what's in my head but of course their fan be less then 40%.
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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 10:25:46 PM »
There's definitely a balance that needs to be in place so that getting the most coins and stars doesn't feel like a total breeze for me(becaue that's boring), but it should never be so overboard that I can no longer strategize on how to win in my current position(because that's annoying).

There should definitely be an option to turn certain mini-games off in future releases, for those who can't stand random luck based mini-games.

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Re: What is an Acceptable Amount of Luck?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 11:21:44 PM »
I will be honest. I think that luck can be good for some games, and it's fun to see if you're lucky or not, this is suspense! Personally, I really like luck minigames if it's not 100% of the time. I would probably don't like that as much if it would completely be, but would still like... But also, since it's most likely a game to play and have fun, I let it pass becase it's justely to have fun, meant to have good times.

It's not everything in the game that is related to luck, some minigames and choices aren't at all. The dice block will most likely always be at the exception of some particuliar dice blocks in the game. I don't really hate these games at all, it can be been considered as one of my favorite Mario game series...

The game is mostly related about luck and I don't really hate these kind of games and they aren't even 100% of the time, so it's a huge enjoyment to me.
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