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Title: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: GrandStarGalaxy on November 10, 2016, 08:12:01 AM
Thoughts anyone? I fell into the category of they're both terrible candidates so I don't care who wins. 
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Kaede on November 10, 2016, 09:47:36 AM
So glad Trump won. #MAGA
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: NintendoFan on November 10, 2016, 05:59:13 PM
Thoughts anyone? I fell into the category of their both terrible candidates so I don't care who wins. 
First of all, "they're." :P

Second of all, yeah, this has always been about picking the "lesser of two evils." If Trump doesn't do anything to help us, then we'll vote him out in 2020, simple. I hope during that election some good people are picked...
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on November 10, 2016, 07:50:30 PM
Hope you Americans like fascism.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Zympherior on November 10, 2016, 09:52:55 PM
Welp.
Just in the day Trump won, the Mexican currency plunged 12%, a new record in a sigle day. (From ~18MXN-1Dll to ~20MXN-1Dll)
Well, these next 4 years wull be fun...
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Ether on November 11, 2016, 09:02:20 AM
This is going to be a doozy
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Kaede on November 11, 2016, 10:18:40 AM
Welp.
Just in the day Trump won, the Mexican currency plunged 12%, a new record in a sigle day. (From ~18MXN-1Dll to ~20MXN-1Dll)
Well, these next 4 years wull be fun...

Because they are still taking his "build the wall" statements seriously and he wants to bring in more domestic jobs with companies that have otherwise abandoned America in favor of places like Mexico and China. The DOW is stabilizing, this happens every presidential election. 
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on November 11, 2016, 04:10:57 PM
he wants to bring in more domestic jobs with companies that have otherwise abandoned America in favor of places like Mexico and China.

Jobs that are going to be prime candidates for automation in the next decade.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Strychnine on November 11, 2016, 06:04:46 PM
Trump's a scammer. What makes this whole fiasco worse is that Congress is currently controlled by the Republicans. We're F***ed.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on November 11, 2016, 08:20:43 PM
Trump's a scammer. What makes this whole fiasco worse is that Congress is currently controlled by the Republicans. We're F***ed.

and soon the supreme court too
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Vipsoccermaster on November 11, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Trump's a scammer. What makes this whole fiasco worse is that Congress is currently controlled by the Republicans. We're F***ed.

and soon the supreme court too
All the Democrats can hope to do and weasel their way through is by filibuster, which the Republicans will probably hear none of it.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Kaede on November 12, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Can you guys give me one good example on why we are F***ed? He hasn't done anything yet and people are taking to the streets saying that he's going to be a Nazi who rounds up trannies and shoots them in the streets. Like don't you think that's a bit of an exaggeration? The Clinton camp and SJWs of the world love to tout about "love, peace, and harmony" like a damn MLP episode yet they are blaming white people for Trump's election and calling for them to be shot. Both sides have their wackos, but damn the salt from the liberals is pretty scary and if anybody is going to start a civil war it's those guys.

he wants to bring in more domestic jobs with companies that have otherwise abandoned America in favor of places like Mexico and China.

Jobs that are going to be prime candidates for automation in the next decade.

Jobs that require automation do need people to run them, you know. Just in the past year alone, major companies like Caterpillar and Carrier moved to Mexico and China because they were getting tired of the taxation they were faced when trying to import s*** from other countries. We need to have resources here domestically and we have to stop beating around the bush with our "allies" when it comes to international trade agreements. I'm not saying that keeping companies here in America will solve the unemployment issue, but it will certainly help.

The only people crying about Trump are the ones who think he hates LGBTQ and black people. In reality they are just salty whiners. I will change my opinion when he passes an anti-gay law, but for now he's our President and we need to give him a chance.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on November 12, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
Can you guys give me one good example on why we are F***ed?

Trump called climate change 'a hoax', wants to remove environmental regulations and has appointed a climate change skeptic to lead the EPA transition (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/). Climate change (http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf) is the biggest problem the entire world as a whole is currently facing, and having the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet deny it is extremely troubling. Above anything else this is the reason to be against him.

He hasn't done anything yet and people are taking to the streets saying that he's going to be a Nazi who rounds up trannies and shoots them in the streets. Like don't you think that's a bit of an exaggeration?

It's definitely an exaggeration, but he does have a lot of characteristics that can be associated with fascism (http://lithub.com/umberto-eco-on-donald-trump-14-ways-of-looking-at-a-fascist/#).

The Clinton camp and SJWs of the world love to tout about "love, peace, and harmony" like a damn MLP episode yet they are blaming white people for Trump's election and calling for them to be shot.

These people are obviously irrational and don't speak for the overall majority of those to do not like Trump.

Both sides have their wackos, but damn the salt from the liberals is pretty scary and if anybody is going to start a civil war it's those guys.

Trump was complaining that the election was going to be rigged (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-claims-hillary-clinton-is-protected-by-a-rigged-system-as-us-presidential-election-a7401671.html) and several of his supporters, again likely a small minority, were threatening (http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/26/ex-rep-joe-walsh-if-hillary-wins-i-m-grabbing-my-musket.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl) to take up arms (http://i.imgur.com/2PBMv6O.png) if he were to lose the election.

However, he did win the election yet lost the popular vote (not by much granted). You shouldn't be surprised that people are upset about the most unqualified and one of the most disliked and polarizing people to run for president was voted in, yet didn't win a majority of the vote. Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Trump supporters were equally as upset if the same scenario happened with Clinton winning. If anything it's a failure of the Electoral College.

Protesting in the US Constitution via peaceful assembly, but once people start throwing rocks through windows then the police should intervene. I just hope all the people taking the time to protest took the time to vote.

Jobs that require automation do need people to run them, you know.
One man can run dozens of machines, which have already replaced the dozens of jobs. Manufacturing isn't coming back to the Rust Belt.


Just in the past year alone, major companies like Caterpillar and Carrier moved to Mexico and China because they were getting tired of the taxation they were faced when trying to import s*** from other countries.

Caterpillar cut jobs because the workers wanted health care plans and fair wages (http://www.wsj.com/articles/caterpillar-will-move-jobs-from-illinois-to-mexico-1426875264). Carrier cut jobs because "it was strictly a business decision" (http://www.businessinsider.com/carrier-workers-learn-jobs-are-moving-to-mexico-2016-2). You can scrap NAFTA and force these companies back into the country but they will find another way to screw over the workers. Ergo, automation.

We need to have resources here domestically and we have to stop beating around the bush with our "allies" when it comes to international trade agreements.

I'm not an expert on international trade but I'll give it a shot: Sure, but the United States kind of needs a sphere of influence. You hassle our "allies" over trading and they'll likely turn elsewhere to do business. Globalization isn't perfect (it does benefit the wealthy and hinder the poorer in developed nations) but it helps a lot of countries out of deep poverty. Perhaps this would be a good time to look at the United States' economic structure and rebalance it, rather than trying to bring that jobs that are quickly becoming outdated?

The only people crying about Trump are the ones who think he hates LGBTQ and black people.

The vice president elect is very anti LGBTQ (http://time.com/4406337/mike-pence-gay-rights-lgbt-religious-freedom/) and Trump went through hell and back to get the five teenagers wrongfully accused of rape executed (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/donald-trump-central-park-5). He has done nothing to put these accusations to rest.

he's our President and we need to give him a chance.

Just like how conservatives gave Obama a chance? He has full control of the United States government and has a ton of corrupt GOP stooges in his ear. He has a SCOTUS opening waiting to be filled by someone who'll more likely than not fall on the side of reversing Roe v. Wade and possibly Obergefell v. Hodges. You can write his detractors off as "wacko SJWs" and blame the media but his campaign rhetoric should have a lot of weight on how he will govern and it scares a lot of people.

Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on November 13, 2016, 05:47:39 PM
He named Reince Priebus (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-names-priebus-as-chief-of-staff-bannon-as-chief-strategist-231304), the current head of the RNC, his Chief of Staff and Steve Bannon, a white supremacist (http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro) and antisemite (http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-breitbart-head-accused-of-anti-semitism-mooted-as-top-trump-aide/) as his Chief Strategist.

Whatever chance he had, he just lost it.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: stone_cold_julia on December 06, 2016, 05:53:53 PM
it makes me want to move to canada!
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: ttwashere on December 09, 2016, 09:23:59 PM
The only people crying about Trump are the ones who think he hates LGBTQ and black people. In reality they are just salty whiners. I will change my opinion when he passes an anti-gay law, but for now he's our President and we need to give him a chance.
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on December 10, 2016, 09:14:23 PM
The only people crying about Trump are the ones who think he hates LGBTQ and black people. In reality they are just salty whiners. I will change my opinion when he passes an anti-gay law, but for now he's our President and we need to give him a chance.
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
He's Aegis by the way.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Toblet on December 12, 2016, 07:08:27 PM
Controversial time. :D But I thought I would give my cents on some of the bigger points. Feel free to disagree. Free thought is what keeps the world ticking, after-all.

Hope you Americans like fascism.
One point I rarely see mentioned is that Trump has been a celebrity his entire career. If you are a radical right-winger and a celebrity people become disinterested in you and you lose relevancy fast. And Trump has maintained a steady fan-base throughout his career. Strange that Trump was only labelled a fascist Nazi after he ran for president, huh.

Trump's a scammer. What makes this whole fiasco worse is that Congress is currently controlled by the Republicans. We're F***ed.
The only scammer in this entire election is Jill Stein that prayed upon the fears of liberals hoping for a tiny possibility of a recount. In reality, she knew the recount wouldn't go through, purposely waited for the deadline to pass in certain states, and made 7 million off of it. Not bad for a months work.

He named Reince Priebus (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-names-priebus-as-chief-of-staff-bannon-as-chief-strategist-231304), the current head of the RNC, his Chief of Staff and Steve Bannon, a white supremacist (http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro) and antisemite (http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-breitbart-head-accused-of-anti-semitism-mooted-as-top-trump-aide/) as his Chief Strategist.

Whatever chance he had, he just lost it.
I read both articles in this quote (Rip me). Both are biased but that "white supremacist" article is the worst thing I've ever read. It is an SJW reporter using a personal vendetta to taint the name of an innocent man. It's disgusting. I know nothing of Steve Bannon, but nothing in the article is evidence-based and everything is as extremely biased as you can get. Text book definition of how NOT to report. (Reporting should always attempt to remain as unbiased as possible by using facts and statistics or multiple credible witness statements) To take a direct quote:
"In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew’s mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump; he has shaped the company into Trump’s personal Pravda…the facts are undeniable".
So opinions are fact now? The rest of the article is either false, exaggerated, meaningless, or biased to the point of losing all credibility. I can dissect the article if you want but I'd rather not. Terrible article. I noticed the article also deemed Milo Y. a white supremacist. It's only fair for the man himself to defend himself:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As an added note, Brietbart is a company formed by Jews. A racist Jew is like an unintelligent 8B1T, VIP with no money, or a gay Muslim. Completely incompatible.

 
it makes me want to move to canada!
A country more white than America. No surprise there.

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Trump called climate change 'a hoax', wants to remove environmental regulations and has appointed a climate change skeptic to lead the EPA transition. Climate change is the biggest problem the entire world as a whole is currently facing, and having the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet deny it is extremely troubling. Above anything else this is the reason to be against him.
While I don't reject the possibility of there being a climate change, I despite that you're acting like we can't even question it. Some of the best ideas in the world that are now accepted as mainsteam today came by challenging the narrative. If people become too scared to challenge the narrative nothing ever changes and increases the likelihood of wrong ideas remaining mainstream for decades to come.

The concept of climate change coming into the light came by challenging the narrative that there wasn't a climate change. It is now mainstream. Now people say it may be fake and suddenly challenging the narrative is condemable? Science adapts. Science gets a lot right. Science gets a lot wrong. But we must always look at it critically and consider sources put out by BOTH left wing and right wing.

I don't neccessarily believe the video below, but it's important to consider that there are alternate voices. Voices which are also backed by evidence, though months of testing will be required to see if the man's claims are legitimate.
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Trump was complaining that the election was going to be rigged and several of his supporters, again likely a small minority, were threatening to take up arms if he were to lose the election.
Considering that the entire media was pro-hillary, censored any Trump view that did not fit their narrative, bussed around liberals to vote in multiple states for Hillary, encouraged illegals to vote (which also pushed Hillary into winning the popular vote, otherwise it's more than likely she would have lost that too), and video footage of machines changing votes to Hillary if the person clicked Trump (a minority of cases, but still). The reason he won was because his victory was essentially a landslide in the rural regions.

Yet specific Hillary supporters claimed the election was rigged AFTER his win. They didn't speak up when they thought she would win!

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The vice president elect is very anti LGBTQ and Trump went through hell and back to get the five teenagers wrongfully accused of rape executed. He has done nothing to put these accusations to rest.
One of the only legitimate "anti-lgbt" claims from the left and it's regarding Mike Pence. Funny how easy it is to back up claims when there is real evidence rather than emotional-based automatic responses that the left usually resorts to. Regarding the other article, yes he should drop that but there is no evidence Trump wants them sent down because of their race.

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Just like how conservatives gave Obama a chance? He has full control of the United States government and has a ton of corrupt GOP stooges in his ear.
Take it from a European that is deeply concerned that the left-wing government is doing everything it can do eradicate our culture and traditions. Yes, it may be for the best. I read an article a year ago about a muslim calling the police on a british man that had the gall to wear a BRITISH FLAG as a shirt. I know, terrible right? Understandably, the man was met with unanimous praise in the comments section when he said he wasn't fased and was going to continue flaunting our flag regardless.

As a result of multiculturalism we now have islamist-only zones in Europe and the situation is only getting worse. Some cultures assimilate. Others don't. It's important to be able to criticise all cultures individually rather than lump them into the same 'Equality' sentiment. As an example, there's a reason why nobody has a problem with Asians and their peaceful traditions compared to Islam where we have almost become conditioned to think Islamic terrorism is so normal that it's not worthy of news reporting anymore (which it most certainly is). It's incredibly upsetting to me the path we are being led down. Fortunately some of us are waking up in the form of Brexit and Italian Exit. Others not so much (Rip Austria and Sweden.).[/list]
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Kaede on December 13, 2016, 01:35:16 PM
The only people crying about Trump are the ones who think he hates LGBTQ and black people. In reality they are just salty whiners. I will change my opinion when he passes an anti-gay law, but for now he's our President and we need to give him a chance.
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

23! Why does it matter how old I am? I am a taxpayer, I respect my country, and I believe Trump is the change we need to get out of a stagnant economy and divided nation. It's only the SJWs that are preventing these things from happening because "safe space".
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Snowy on December 31, 2016, 09:58:20 AM
Saying that a Jew cannot be racist might be the funniest thing I've ever read. Thank you Toblet. Also Muslims can be gay lmao. What planet are you even from?
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Kaede on December 31, 2016, 01:23:12 PM
Saying that a Jew cannot be racist might be the funniest thing I've ever read. Thank you Toblet. Also Muslims can be gay lmao. What planet are you even from?

As a Trump supporter, I don't support these sentiments. Yeah, Toblet is severely misguided and he's the reason why our camp isn't taken seriously.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Snowy on December 31, 2016, 01:46:52 PM
Cute! See you haven't changed a bit, Aegis.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Kaede on December 31, 2016, 02:16:40 PM
Cute! See you haven't changed a bit, Aegis.

I was agreeing with you.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Toblet on January 01, 2017, 06:01:07 PM
Saying that a Jew cannot be racist might be the funniest thing I've ever read.
Perhaps that one particular statement may have been brash and distasteful. However, I initially made the comparison because with the pro-diversity sentiment that is highly prevalent among all Jewish media (that I can think of). If you can give any examples of a Jew being racist I would love to hear it because I can't think of any.

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Also Muslims can be gay lmao.
Let's ask actual Muslims:
https://youtu.be/PlqXgXwzkPg?t=100

There was also another BBC documentary that looked into being gay and Muslim (released I think in 2015, though I can't seem to find it) and the BBC tried to interview the mosque's on their view of homosexuality. All refused to answer. They managed to get one of these mosque attendees as an interviewee to which he literally stated "If you are gay you cannot be Muslim". If these are views held by Muslims in the west god forbid what they would be like in a place like Saudi Arabia. Oh yes, they're killed. Nevermind.

And polls among Muslims almost always agree that they hate homosexuals. These are two of many:
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/05/07/poll-finds-zero-tolerance-for-homosexuality-among-uk-muslims/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36016816

The BBC is SUPER left-wing.

You can still be gay and Muslim? Yeah ok...

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As a Trump supporter, I don't support these sentiments.
That's fine but I don't see why you needed to bring up Trump here.

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Yeah, Toblet is severely misguided and he's the reason why our camp isn't taken seriously.
Literally 5 posts above I see the quote "how old are you" said by ttwashere to you. I'm pretty sure he didn't take you seriously. Besides, most people from either side don't take each other seriously. It's pretty much a redundant statement.

I always encourage people to do their own research from multiple varieties of sources in order to make their own judgements and opinions (and not be force fed the same stuff from the same biased news sources) But hey, this statement shouldn't be taken seriously, because Toblet said it.#sarcasm But really, I think even SJW's are beginning to take right-wingers seriously now, with Trump being elected and all.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on January 01, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
man if you think the bbc is "super left wing" actual left wing views must make you s*** your pants
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Toblet on January 01, 2017, 07:26:35 PM
man if you think the bbc is "super left wing" actual left wing views must make you s*** your pants
I can give many examples on why I think it's very left wing, but I'm more interested in hearing why you don't think it's very left wing.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on January 01, 2017, 08:29:42 PM
man if you think the bbc is "super left wing" actual left wing views must make you s*** your pants
I can give many examples on why I think it's very left wing, but I'm more interested in hearing why you don't think it's very left wing.
okay give me examples on why you think it's very left wing.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Snowy on January 04, 2017, 07:25:14 AM
Toblet I'm literally Jewish. I can be racist for you to prove a point.

Also literally anyone can be gay.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Toblet on January 04, 2017, 09:18:00 AM
man if you think the bbc is "super left wing" actual left wing views must make you s*** your pants
I can give many examples on why I think it's very left wing, but I'm more interested in hearing why you don't think it's very left wing.
okay give me examples on why you think it's very left wing.
It has views in line with SJW's.

1. It hates white people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3621658/BBC-turn-trainees-WHITE-Job-applicants-stunned-told-corporation-wants-people-ethnic-minority-backgrounds.html
I mean, there's diversity quotas and then there's actively turning away any and all applicants that have a certain skin colour.

But even diversity quotas I have a problem with. Never are we told that anything is too black (basketball) or too Muslim (Muslim-exclusive schools that have recently opened). Never is the word used to shame Asia for being too homogeneously Asian etc. etc. It's used to exclusively bash whites. Note that I don't have a problem with diversity if there is no hypocrisy involved.

2. The BBC is happy to express free speech... If it goes along with their political agenda.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10697484/BBC-accused-of-gagging-debate-in-Free-Speech-show.html

Any and all problematic opinions must be interrupted and censored asap.

3. The BBC is incredibly PC throughout the refugee crisis.
They must never refer to any Syrians as rioters or even migrants. Nope, just 'refugee' as if it is an umbrella term that covers everyone.

Perhaps the biggest story throughout was the 'Syrian boy' whose body washed upon the shore 'fleeing war-ridden countries'. A tragic scene yes. However what the BBC failed to mention was that the boy was Turkish and not a refugee:
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/604590/Migrant-crisis-the-truth-about-the-boy-the-beach-Aylan-Kurdi

But the BBC don't care and refuse to portray any refugee in a negative light. "They're all good people" is the message they convey. As they refuse to cover real statistics and real news worth reporting on.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

Even workers at the BBC have picked up on the left-wing bias:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10158679/BBC-has-deep-liberal-bias-executive-admits.html

4. The BBC was pro-Hillary anti-Trump throughout the entire election.
It stated that Hillary was almost certainly going to win the election. It was happy to ignore the email scandals. Or any other shady business Hillary has been involved in. Let's focus for weeks on that one 'pussy' comment that Donald Trump made 10 years ago.

These are a few of many examples. Again I ask, care to explain why it's not very left wing?

Toblet I'm literally Jewish. I can be racist for you to prove a point.
Ok that dead horse has been beaten (Rip). It was a bad point I get it.

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Also literally anyone can be gay.
Except straight people.

No but seriously technically yes you can be gay and muslim. But that is not to say that homosexuality is compatible with Islam. Islam, like Christianity, would need to be reformed in order for that to happen. But then again, that would never happen because Islam is the sacred religion that can do no wrong and any attempts to change it is 'Islamaphobic'.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on January 04, 2017, 01:41:44 PM
They must never refer to any Syrians as rioters or even migrants. Nope, just 'refugee' as if it is an umbrella term that covers everyone.

i searched 'bbc refugee crisis' and found an article that uses both the words you claim they never use:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38090753
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Toblet on January 05, 2017, 05:53:08 PM
They must never refer to any Syrians as rioters or even migrants. Nope, just 'refugee' as if it is an umbrella term that covers everyone.

i searched 'bbc refugee crisis' and found an article that uses both the words you claim they never use:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38090753
This is the least important point you could possibly quote.

I even asked you twice to post your opinion on why you think it's not very left wing. Am I to assume you agree with every other point?
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: MattC on January 05, 2017, 09:03:34 PM
They must never refer to any Syrians as rioters or even migrants. Nope, just 'refugee' as if it is an umbrella term that covers everyone.

i searched 'bbc refugee crisis' and found an article that uses both the words you claim they never use:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38090753
This is the least important point you could possibly quote.

I even asked you twice to post your opinion on why you think it's not very left wing. Am I to assume you agree with every other point?
i mean, the fact that i blew a hole in your third point with a single google search leads me to believe you're just parroting the garbage you hear about bbc being incredibly left wing.

i think they do side towards liberal viewpoints more often, but my point was they aren't completely ~~~equality for all government should control the market full socialism~~~, which is what "very" left wing is. actual left wingers (which are different from liberals, regardless of what the alt-right echo chamber screams at you) also believe the BBC is biased (http://www.socialist.net/corbyn-the-bbc-and-the-bias-of-the-establishment.htm).

yeah, socially equality and equity are rooted on the left but do you seriously think those are bad values to carry in society?

also i either disagree or think you're widely exaggerating on most of your points. you really think an organization that is 85% white is discriminating against all of them?
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Snowy on January 05, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
Toblet where are you getting your information from? It sounds like you're just copy and pasting an atguement you've read on reddit before.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Toblet on January 06, 2017, 05:55:31 AM
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i mean, the fact that i blew a hole in your third point with a single google search leads me to believe you're just parroting the garbage you hear about bbc being incredibly left wing.
You sound like one of those people that's like "entire argument discredited because I disproved a joke!" (Onision)

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i think they do side towards liberal viewpoints more often, but my point was they aren't completely ~~~equality for all government should control the market full socialism~~~, which is what "very" left wing is. actual left wingers (which are different from liberals, regardless of what the alt-right echo chamber screams at you) also believe the BBC is biased.
Oh so because I have a different opinion I'm automatically alt-right?

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believe the BBC is biased.
Some of the quotes I find in that article are incredibly disturbing. Yet you compare this with genuine concerns of the public? Find a source that suggests that the BBC is biased towards the right in an article that's 'liberal' as you say, and doesn't support communism.

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yeah, socially equality and equity are rooted on the left but do you seriously think those are bad values to carry in society?
No they're not bad values. Too bad they're not practiced, though. Even by many 'liberals'.

For example, feminism, said to be the equality of men and women. In practice exclusively focuses on the rights of women. It ignores men's issues such as suicide rates and child custody. And most media outlets are proud to say they support feminism.

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also i either disagree or think you're widely exaggerating on most of your points. you really think an organization that is 85% white is discriminating against all of them?
Okay maybe I exaggerated a little. However, the BBC has already achieved it's 'diversity' quota and still appologized for being too 'white'.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670266/BBC-advert-white-people-ethnic-equality-staff-job-internship

It can thus be argued that it is trying to get rid of white employees wherever possible. However, the BBC has already commented that it is having trouble finding people from 'ethnic minority backgrounds' and thus are forced to hire more whites at a higher rate that it would like. Hey, I guess you can't force people to do something they don't want to do.

However, taking light of a negative situation, this has turned into some hilarious cases of karma.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/02/bbc-presenter-jon-holmes-the-now-show-sacked

A white politically correct guy fired for being white now complaining about being fired for racism. People like this only want diversity if it doesn't affect them. The hypocrisy. Something tells me more stories like this will prop up over the coming years.

Toblet where are you getting your information from? It sounds like you're just copy and pasting an atguement you've read on reddit before.
The internet? Do you have anything to contribute, or?
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Snowy on January 06, 2017, 07:33:17 AM
Wow, go F*** your self. I was just asking where you got your information you little pr***.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Snowy on January 06, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Also I'll add this before you try to refute anything else, feminism and third wave feminism are two very very different things.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Toblet on January 06, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
Wow, go F*** your self. I was just asking where you got your information you little pr***.
And I was just asking if you had anything to contribute. Triggered much?

Also I'll add this before you try to refute anything else, feminism and third wave feminism are two very very different things.
I know this but many others don't. Feminism today is not what it once was. I was referring to the feminism of today.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: Snowy on January 06, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
Triggered? Jeeeesus Christ.
Title: Re: U.S. 2016 Election
Post by: SuperZambezi on January 06, 2017, 10:36:59 PM
The topic is U.S. 2016 Elections. If you want to discuss that, have a debate, whatever, that's fine. This is starting to turn into something else. Be mature everyone.